Comments on: Dean Radin - Psi Research (1/12)

By: Spirits1234

Spirits1234 — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:12:09 +0000

I still can’t get …
I still can’t get it when you say “you can have all the “evidence” in the world and still have nothing at all”.
What do you think of precognition test going on?
What are the counter explanation for it?

You know about the random generation of pictures.
Go to “watch?v=qw_O9Qiwqew”. Look at about mid way of the video.
I’m not discussing about the comments dean made but rather the data the present.

Please let’s stick to this debate, I ope that both of us will see flaws in their ideas and improve.

By: thinker900

thinker900 — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:12:09 +0000

salt.
salt.

By: thinker900

thinker900 — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:12:09 +0000

Hey, I’m always …
Hey, I’m always game to some debate, but neither of us can prove either way that PSI exists. As I mentioned before, you can have all the “evidence” in the world and still have nothing at all. Especially, if your one that just wants PSI to exist. What I mean is that whatever you read something about “PSI” you’ll believe without questioning what you have in front of you. I’m just saying that until the is real tangable evidence that can be repeated then everything should be taken with a grain of

By: Spirits1234

Spirits1234 — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:12:09 +0000

Opps i just read …
Opps i just read your comment that you believe that psi is a possibility.
however my opinion from your replies make e believe that you don’t.

If you are looking the how and why of “psi”, i can’t debate on that just like a quantum professor cannot debate on the “how and why” of quantum physics(to some extent).

Me.
I accept that there is significantly enough data to show that psi(definition?) is definitely prove to occur, that is till someone prove me wrong or show that there is fraud :p!

By: Spirits1234

Spirits1234 — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:12:09 +0000

I’m not a complete …
I’m not a complete open minded person, on the spot unfortunately experience showed me that i’m very hurt at the idea that people can show me that i’m wrong.

However i “try” to be reasonable as i don’t wanna live in lies.

Just as you said you don’t believe that psi exist.
This will show that you will not look at the same way as me, and vice versa.

But debating on aspects or specific point will help us progress, that is if you really want to have knowledge instead of worship.

You wanna debate?

By: Spirits1234

Spirits1234 — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:12:09 +0000

Are you being …
Are you being sarcastic or are you trying to make a point?
In any thesis you will find elements that show that people are never 100%(can’t be proved anyway) open-minded.

Being open minded or not is, a bit like you said, mostly judge by our own standard.
However we can judge to some point whether the author is being close to the middle and when he start to fluctuate(or course this is done so by assigning a neutral opinion, excluding the conclusion).

If you want to claim something then alright:

By: thinker900

thinker900 — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:12:09 +0000

I can almost bet …
I can almost bet it’s all done by “open minded” people…right? I can’t take the word of people that call themselves opened minded or self-proclaimed scientists. Not saying that they don’t have the credentials, but they do have biases and a need for PSI to be true. I need hard evidence from both sides. From REAL OPEN MINDED INDIVIDUALS. I will, however, take a look.

By: Spirits1234

Spirits1234 — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:12:09 +0000

I don’t understand …
I don’t understand your point here.
Please take a look at the summary given on “Precognition” and also the laboratory results.
Maybe there is a misunderstanding between us or either one or us is mis-informed.

If you’re not sure about the test i can summarize( though i can’t account for any mis-interpretation or if the information has been manipulated) .

In summary, the test has been repeated on by skeptics and believers alike and achieve mostly the same result.

Please state you point clearly.

By: thinker900

thinker900 — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:12:09 +0000

Or something …
Or something moraculious to happen in the public eye or in the media(in real time of course). Otherwise mainstream science wouldn’t even take the time to investigate PSI. Please, don’t misunderstand me I believe PSI is a possibility, but just a person wanting something to exist doesn’t make it exist.

By: thinker900

thinker900 — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:12:09 +0000

I can look at …
I can look at dozens for experiment and without these experiments carrying the same result in another lab it really doesn’t count for much. In science for something to be proven valid it has to be repeatable and have similar results. Not 15% out of 100%, but 85% out of 100%. It is not to say the smaller results don’t count, but without these two criteria you might as well not bother taking them seriously. We need experiments done by both like minded and unlike minded scientists.