Wind Generator Improvement #2
This is an improvement of my previous video movie and concept. Perhaps the extra power gained is enough to offset any efficiency losses of the system without any similar improvement. Perhaps I’m wrong about the location of it, and it (the wind-vane) should simpley be inline with the deflector?
The wind-deflector or baffle is connected to the axis of the turbine/generator. It rotates as necessary as the wind changes direction by using a wind-vain. Perhaps this wind-vane can be located symetrically opposite or 180 degrees from wind-deflector for balance and increased stability. It is also possible to make the wind-deflector a portion of a semicircle, but straight as shown has advantages also.
I don’t have a working model, it all needs exploration and input from the community.
If necessary, increasing the length of the rods that connect the wind-collectors to the axis will increase torque, though at the cost of speed. Using different size gears combinations can increase the speed.
I notice some new designs now on YouTube vids that used a fixed wind block/deflector system. This is an alternative to my design, but its perhaps not as efficient, but it is good for turbulant wind directions.
Using all these “wind steering” devices does increase the size, complexity and cost a bit, however its much cheeper than installing a second generator for increased energy. The problem now is to make the system effective and balanced with minimal vibration.
Here is the basic text description from the last video about this subject:
Wind Generator Improvement #1 - Wind Deflector And Steering
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Here is a design I made for the improvement of wind electric generation that anyone can freely use, let me know if you think the i Here is a design I made for the improvement of wind electric generation that anyone can freely use, let me know if you think the idea is useful.
There is a slight mistake in the view of two of the (wind-force) collectors drawn in this image; that is they should be rotated 90 degrees clockwise. These are located at the 90 and 180 degree standard angle locations.
If you keep thinking about the collectors, obviously the larger the more wind and its corresponding force can be captured for energy transfer to the alternator/generator.
The airvane is used for steering/direction of the “wind block” or “wind baffle”. As shown in the image, I guess it would have to have a large surface area for increased stability in itself to maintain position to block the wind. Or the “wind block” itself can be angled some way also. Another shape of this windblock would equally direct the force equally up, down, left and right for increased stability. At minimum, left and right would be alright.
Wind-block ? Wind-baffle? or Wind-deflector or Wind-director. It depends on which description to use…is the wind being just blocked or used as an aid in the production of energy. Wind-directors seems to be more appropriate if used as an aid to the production of energy.
Also, it appears that a wind-director is needed to initially get the system rotating in a specific direction. The additional use of the wind force directed is an added bonus. Also.. should it be directed more towards the “tips/ends” of the blades where more torque could be developed?.. or perhaps at the center of the blades…only test can determine that.. and what is required of the system…speed, torque or a combination.
I wonder if the cups/collectors could possibly swivel slightly, perhaps with springs, independently to collect more wind force. This even fancies the use of materials that are flexable such as plastics and cloth for the collectors.
If you had a bunch of dixie cups or strofoam cups you can experiment with capturing more wind, and you will +eventually see that a spiral type of form can do that where one of the “cups” is at near flat or at 90 degrees to the wind always, to get the energy.
I’ve had this idea for a while, a least a year, and havent ever seen any instance of it described, but recently one design using some similar concepts was brought to my attention on Jan/26/2008. So beyond any ‘doubt’, I guess alot of people are thinking about the “wheel” these days. Are you one of them? Do you care? Well, you should. Telling someone “it’s been done before” and implying some kind of failure is not very encouraging or productive…I don’t care to be part of that.
Ever since man began building shelters from the wind and stones around his fires, he has been directing the wind.
The first direct use of the energy supplied by wind force seems to be with sail boats.
Here is a link to a website about traditional windmills: http://www.windmillersgazette.com/ (more) (less)
Here’ the Wikipedia article mostly about traditional windmills: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windmill
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Schmoozer3348 said :
September 7, 2008 at 3:33 am
Water vapor* is …
Water vapor* is actually just H20 molecules heated above boiling temperature. Electrolysis creates oxygen and hydrogen gas, not “vapour” (hint-hint).
Kevinite said :
September 7, 2008 at 3:33 am
Efficient hydrogen …
Efficient hydrogen production is very feasable. When using an electrolysis method you need to pulse the supply voltage at the frequency which water disassociates. For instance, if you use an ultrasonic transducer in water, it turns into a vapour. (hint-hint) I think if you do some research in this area you will find what you are looking for.
Quangsan said :
September 7, 2008 at 3:33 am
If scientists world …
If scientists world could create a super power wind generator, it could lessen our dependency on oil and fuel. A hurricane generates enough wind power to supply all of America for 3 YEARS! You know that? And because climate change is occurring, more winds will rage through coastal areas more often
trailkeeper said :
September 7, 2008 at 3:33 am
also providing …
also providing better stability from vibration caused by the wind/system
trailkeeper said :
September 7, 2008 at 3:33 am
maby a windblock/ …
maby a windblock/winddirectors design can utilize magnetic levitation or bearings.
trailkeeper said :
September 7, 2008 at 3:33 am
Here is one recent …
Here is one recent posting that does not use steering at all: watch?v=M0V0GXYeFgM
On my previous vid of this topic, I have a link to a design that I havent seen before.. not sure if thats what you mean by squirl cage.. its more like a airodynamic turbine shell, though not much if any discussion is presented about the concepts involved. I also have some recent vids with some ideas. Yes, the steering is on the same logical axis, but is not to be physically connected, due to friction.
trailkeeper said :
September 7, 2008 at 3:33 am
Basically my vids …
Basically my vids were only about the concepts and ideas and of turbine steering, wind blocking and wind directors; to achieve greater efficiency and power output. They wern’t really about an actuall design of the concepts and ideas. Anyone can make a design and go with it.
mousepotato64 said :
September 7, 2008 at 3:33 am
OK the problem that …
OK the problem that needs to be overcome is the steering of the vane. What if, instead of a vane you tried a sort of squirrelcage housing but with a larger opening for the wind to enter. You could keep it pointed into the wind with a tail fin (or two). The problem then becomes mounting it in such a way that the blades and the hsing would need to spin individually.
trailkeeper said :
September 7, 2008 at 3:33 am
basically this …
basically this means it would be to the rear or downwind of the turbine
trailkeeper said :
September 7, 2008 at 3:33 am
That is one method …
That is one method of steering though… to actually use the wind resistance in the design. Maby a balanced wind resistance system can be used… sort of like using a reverse arrow shape or cup where or with the steering windvane(s) are.
trailkeeper said :
September 7, 2008 at 3:33 am
It is also possible …
It is also possible to use wind blocks and directors electrically steered into position and they are not even connected to the axis but around the effective circumference of the turbine.
trailkeeper said :
September 7, 2008 at 3:33 am
Do you have any …
Do you have any thougts and ideas about creating an efficient hyrdrogen gas production, since its somewhat popular these days? It would be appreciated.
trailkeeper said :
September 7, 2008 at 3:33 am
If the “tail”- …
If the “tail”-airvain is long and the generator/system of large size, then it cannot be used within a residential area it seems. Anyone have any thoughts about this?
trailkeeper said :
September 7, 2008 at 3:33 am
If you live in an …
If you live in an area where the wind direction is stable, then some basic wind blocks or wind directors can be used (though not for steering) to greatly increase the efficeincy and power of the system.
trailkeeper said :
September 7, 2008 at 3:33 am
There are some …
There are some basic things to overcome like your comment mentions. Is it possible to over come this? Seems like it, but its unique to some extent: A long steering air vain can offer more lever arm and hence torque. Another wind director might help balance this system more. I have a small and basic model of an air vain used for steering where multiple “vanes” in parallel can assist in stability.
mousepotato64 said :
September 7, 2008 at 3:33 am
I hate to say it …
I hate to say it but this won’t work in real life, The deflector is always going to overpower your wind vane because it offers more resistance to the air. you cannot physically do better than making the return side of each cup as aerodynamic as possible. Great idea though.
trailkeeper said :
September 7, 2008 at 3:33 am
I’m not too sure …
I’m not too sure what you mean by this comment, but since you seem to have some good vids about some things such as energy I will keep it posted.
trailkeeper said :
September 7, 2008 at 3:33 am
You can also read …
You can also read the video’s text description for any updates.
JonThm said :
September 7, 2008 at 3:33 am
Steam power is …
Steam power is nuclear fusion! Don’t mess about with wind power - which is caused by air, molecular, nuclear fusion anyway!
trailkeeper said :
September 7, 2008 at 3:33 am
I looked it up.. an …
I looked it up.. an anemometer is someting that measures wind speed and was invented long ago. But let me tell say.. I set out to copy nothing here.. maby it was invented before, maby not.. who cares.. but if anyone can find and show a “wind generator” that uses this idea of “steered wind blocking using the same axis of rotation as of the wind-force collector system” and that is was published before I posted this video then I will remove this video and/or indicate it in some form.
sunwindwaterenergy said :
September 7, 2008 at 3:33 am
lol…yeah great …
lol…yeah great idea..too bad its been around since like 1450, invented by the Italian art architect Leon Battista Alberti ..its called a anemometer.its amazing how many people think that if they post it,they invented it.lol
trailkeeper said :
September 7, 2008 at 3:33 am
Of course the ” …
Of course the “direction vane” does not have to be a long one extended outward, it could perhaps be an additional element added to the top and/or bottom of the turbine.
trailkeeper said :
September 7, 2008 at 3:33 am
Essentially the …
Essentially the idea is to block the returning wind collectors from the force of the wind; so it would be half of the system. It seems efficiency could be increased with this method.
trailkeeper said :
September 7, 2008 at 3:33 am
Thanks so much for …
Thanks so much for the positive comment. I haven’t made any prototypes, and anyone can if they want. Typically it would be a vertical axis type, but a horizontal vertical axis type is also possible, and it is not to be confused with the common airplane “propeller types”.
RockManAU said :
September 7, 2008 at 3:33 am
I was lost looking …
I was lost looking at your first vid but now I see what you are trying to achieve and I like the idea. Have you made any prototypes? If so, what sort of alt/gens are you using or do you have any suggestions for same? Thanks for the vid.
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